Your opinion on PvP

there is nothing to discuss, everyone with a half-functioning brain will notice the obvious flaws from pvp and that is okay, there are pvp focused discords for it

explaining how exploits work and posting it in a forum is a very good idea, i will be sure to NOT abuse it and im sure neither will the rest of the people who just read over this thread

I mean yeah, nothing really new about this, even though it's nice to talk about it from time to time.
Though this bugged me

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8. Many players still catch with awakening, or certain skills that give a short delay or they wait until someone runs into a combo that has super armor. Not to mention that there are still force skills, in my opinion KoG should change that. Since this has nothing to do with "Skill" and if you look at PvP Season 1 or 2, it was completely different from now and you still had to think about how to catch the opponent.

You know what else was considered "unskilled" in PvP season 1 or 2 ? Spamming WWW loop like you do in the video you added in your message

Not saying it's not fine to play like that, but it's just like catching with awakening and skills ... it's just a way to play, if you don't like it, well, ok, but I don't think KoG would do anything on a subjective flaw when people were already doing it at the very beginning of this game . It was unpopular to brag about it, yeah, but everyone seriously trying to win was doing it except some people in custom pvp rooms.
It isn't annoying to catch with awakening/skills imo, it gets problematic when some characters are so unbalanced that they can do that again & again & again (BULLETBLITZAAAAAAAAAAAAH) with very few counters, but then, it's not the same issue is it ?

Tbh I so rarely play PvP anymore, even though I used to, so my opinion may be outdated, but I think most of it still applies

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1. There are far too few players in PvP, because after S+ rank you almost always meet the same players and it is the same in the S ++ / Star area.

There are a lot of players complaining about this, but why? Like, what is KoG or Gameforge supposed to do about this? Ok, balancing would be nice, but if the community doesn't play PvP in an dungeon based game , what do you expect KoG should do about this?

2. Equip in PvP matters a lot, because players who use sparring gear can be 'oneshotted' from 200-300MP skills by other players who use a +11/12 FoJ.

#Welcome to Elsword. You can't expect to beat a Equip worth of months of farming with an Equip you get after a few PvP.

Btw, having your last 10 or 15% of HP being burned down by an HA, that's not what a oneshot is.
3. There is a bug in PvP where you don't lose % after you lose a match (if the player leaves directly after the match starts where "Fight!" is written, the bug is also in Ereda, but you have to leave directly before you lose to not lose any % (Unfortunately these bugs have not been fixed yet)

Welp, i understand that problem.

4. Some players are carried into the top 10 by other players and it is difficult to prove it and unfortunately that only works so well because there is not so much going on in the S + S ++ area at late times, or no one queues at all.

Don't know what to write about that one.

5. Since PvP is not that active, it is possible that you will meet the same player in several matches in a row.

#Thisisthesamecommentascomment1,sotheanswerisalsothesame
6. "Lag" is a big problem when you play a class that is not so much into ranged combat, but you can get used to it, but if there is 2 seconds of lag and an FB plays against a Minerva, for example, the FB will always lose if both are at the same skill level and have similar gear.

Rip that FB. Even without lag he could sit down wait for his defeat if the Minerva is halfway skilled. But ye, i get your point. Lag is a problem and *this message is gonna be delayed sorry* they just don't get it fixed.

7. The hackers that you meet are also a big problem, those who are obviously doing it or who are difficult to recognize (eg those who push their stats like red. DMG or speed) and the problem is that you can't see their equip because these players are in the guild base.

This is a difficult point. If it is difficult to recognize and you don't see their Equip, how do you know for sure they are hacking? Especially speed of any kind is super easiely influenced by, like, everything. Sockets, Passives, Titles, Set Effects, Item Identify Random Effects, fixed item effects etc. Just look at CC. He's a tank but faster than the frcking sword master himself, FB.

I see what you mean about the dmg reduction, it can be really hard to notice and you're gonna need some experience to see it.

(Not gonna comment easy to spot hackers because they're easy to spot)

Idk exactly how well that Gameguard hacking protection thing works, however hackers are always gonna find a new way of breaking the game. Like in Pubg Mobile. That game scans your mobile phone for apps which could be for hacking and for external keyboards or other stuff like that and still a lot of hackers make it into the game.

8. Many players still catch with awakening, or certain skills that give a short delay or they wait until someone runs into a combo that has super armor. Not to mention that there are still force skills, in my opinion KoG should change that. Since this has nothing to do with "Skill" and if you look at PvP Season 1 or 2, it was completely different from now and you still had to think about how to catch the opponent.

The problem about awakening is, that if you remove that time stop, awk would basically become a free catch for your opponent. And reducing the time stop doesn't seem like a good idea to me as well. Laby's awk is pretty strong in my eyes due to it's range and effect.
Other stuff: ^NeoAnything's point. (BULLETBLITZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH)

And you know when PvP season 1 and 2 were, right? Do you really expect them to be the same as seasons nowadays? I think, Force Skills are ok, though there are some thing that annoy me like Shattered Earth prevents my Time Seal Revive to activate. But if you don't like them that's ok.

btw usually the people who spam their superarmor combo are the easiest to read because they will use the same combos over and over. You gotta learn how to outplay them and then it gets pretty easy.

9. Skills like Andromeda, in my opinion, have no business in PvP and every character has got one since the reboot.

Not gonna comment that one. Everyone probably has a different oppinion about these skills. I personally like them by know (except for Elsword's. KoG get your game balanced) but if you don't like them that's fine.
10. There are classes that are extremely overpowered in PvP, based on 1v1 that would be e.g. EtW, CC, FL, ES, CS, etc. or classes that are extremely overpowered in 2v2 such as Oz, DaB, FL etc.

#Welcome to Elsword part 2. KoG isn't really good when it comes to character balancing. Grand Chase Dimensional Chaser (another KoG Game) has similar problems when it comes to PvP, though it is not nearly as terrible as Elsword character balance. Sadly i wouldn't expect character balance in the near future. It would be nice though.

It is also problematic that I could not attack aggressively because I hardly had any speed socket, but even after the "nerfs" Laby still does not care about that.

-Not the game's fault.

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My opinion and some points that bothered me about your post

Honestly anything is fine with me except the players from Latin America in PvP. Or at least those whose PING is absurd. It is ridiculous, it doesn't even feel like playing Elsword against them and it is just incredibly unfair. Many classes have an enormous advantage in such laggy conditions. Of all the things pvp could be improved in, this is what stops me from wanting to queue arena

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There is laggy EN players sometimes but it's more rare and FR, IT, PL, DE are usually fine for me

A really good number of EN players are also coming from South America too, that could explain those who lags.

Again, it happens that some people just have shitty internet lmao

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There is laggy EN players sometimes but it's more rare and FR, IT, PL, DE are usually fine for me

A really good number of EN players are also coming from South America too, that could explain those who lags.

Again, it happens that some people just have shitty internet lmao

Yep, that's why it would be better if people would get kicked out if their ping is too high or if their internet is too slow. I don't think that there will be changes in the future, but I remember people got banned for lagging in Elsword KR altough I am not completly sure about it.

I remember there was a suggestion to make an IP block for players who aren't playing from Europe but I think it was declined? Even if it would happen, I think they would lose a lot players, like from America, Mexico (EN, ES etc) and there is also some people from Africa who speak french (FR)

They will never make it sadly , most of the player base is from latin america .

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I noticed that sometimes if you queue for PvP and the match starts that you can not move your character for 10 seconds or more.

Did anyone else encountered the same issue as me?

Yes. It can even happen during the match which makes this bug much more hilarious.

Oh, then you had an other bug than i had.

It just sometimes happend to me that right in the middle of a match suddenly everyone couldn't move anymore (but we could chat, so we chatted lol)

No idea how to avoid any of this though.