This rule makes no sense. Simply it prevents community to host any type of contest since you can't ask people to put items/eds/whatever to form a prize pool.
You can see it by yourself since when was the last event made by the community?
I'm also trying to host PvP Tournament with EDs as reward but this role won't let me, nor anyone else.
Agreed!
you are totally right!!!
AGREED
I dont see a reason to oppose. The EU Version is lacking organized events, especially in terms of tournaments, unlike many other international servers.
They should at least allow players to raise and organize a tournament like this themselves, if so they wish.
The reason for that rule is to protect participants from being exploited. Let's assume you create a type of event where it is possible for participants to win but there is a chance that there is no winner, who will receive the accumulated ED in such a case? The creator of the event? Another thing that you could do would be to announce an event, collect ED from participants if they want to participate and then instead of holding the event, you run away with the ED that you aquired.
There are just too many ways how one could exploit user events in order to scam participants, therefore we set that rule in place in order to protect them from cases like the ones I mentioned.
In my opinion, this rule does not restrict users in creating events. You can still form a prize pool with other users in order to create attractive prizes for an event without requiring the participants who wanna participate in the event to pay up with ED or items before participating.
This means that you can't do a contest without either cashing or being a real farmer who has lots of money.
Or being more staffers than actual partecipants, since you need a lot of people to form a decent prize pool.
also:
Quote from GlaciemeThe reason for that rule is to protect participants from being exploited. Let's assume you create a type of event where it is possible for participants to win but there is a chance that there is no winner, who will receive the accumulated ED in such a case? The creator of the event?
Then just remove the second comma of 5.2 so staff can check where the ED goes? Simple as that
tl;dr 5.2 is wrong
The reason for that rule is to protect participants from being exploited. Let's assume you create a type of event where it is possible for participants to win but there is a chance that there is no winner, who will receive the accumulated ED in such a case? The creator of the event? Another thing that you could do would be to announce an event, collect ED from participants if they want to participate and then instead of holding the event, you run away with the ED that you aquired.
we are clearly talking about pvp tournaments, there is no "but what if there is not a winner", in those cases where no clear winner can be decided they either cancel the tournament (ED back to participants) or start the tournament again
second if he runs away with the money the participants could easily report him - the GMs could then send the money back (or not because we know how scam cases are handled) and everyone is happy
btw.: the only thing which makes it possible that the event hoster can run away with the ED is that the GMs dont act in favor of the victim and idiotic rules like that
I agree with Glacieme about the Dangers of this event but I agree with Creska too that one or a small group of Users couldn't form an interesting enough price pool to get a lot of competitors therefore leading to only small events.
The Users should be able to decide for themselves if and how much ED they would like to give for participation and maybe it would be a good Idea to give a limit so that one User won't loose a fortune but only loose a little bit of ED in the case of loosing the competition. It would be like buying Ice Burners with ED at the board where one User might get.. let's say consolation prizes instead of the wanted avatar piece.
This rule indeed was made to prevent scammers like Glacieme said but I can understand why Users see the need to get it adapted to our community to support the social interactions between players in a fun competitive way.
I will forward this Topic to the Community Managers. Feel free to continue your discussion and express your reasons for this suggestion!
Soo... I do not really see the problem here? The way I understand this rule, it isn't allowed to demand any sort of input in the form of ED or items from potential participants just to be allowed to participate.
Someone from the game team correct me if I'm wrong, but donating for the prize pool of one's own accord should be fine? It isn't required then, after all, but voluntarily.
In the german game rules (which might be the original version, as GF is german?) it says :
"5.2 Private Competitions
It is not allowed to host competitions or contests with prizes, for which participants have to pay a fee (items, gold etc.)."
Free tournaments are allowed, no need to delete and rule.
If people do not care enough to donate for a price pool, what makes you think they would pay if they couldn't participate otherwise? They probably just wouldn't participate then.
E: Or what AmeAndre said below. I don't like competitive content, but I could imagine this to be true as well
Display MoreCurrently I'm hosting a weekly PvP event and, at the moment, I did host #8 editions.
Only in the #1 edition someone actually donated.
Donations won't work because people won't donate. As simple as that.
Free tournament won't ever get big because there won't ever be a prize. It's like saying "do forum events without a prize", I would like to do it so you'll just see how no one is going to join.
And yes, I won't personally farm 24/7 to get the EDs for it. As no one else should do.
The main purpose of forum events is to give prizes.The main purpose of player hosted events should be to compete, the prize is not necessary if one wants to haven a good competizion.Maybe player do not donate cuz the just want to play without worring about an eventual prize.
I never said it's not needed. I just said I do not know if AmeAndres reasoning might be correct, because I do not play PvP in general and don't know if players join PvP tournaments for the fun or the prizes.
Don't know how you understood that, or anything else you replied, from my post or AmeAndres. Actually I don't even know to which one of us your reply is supposed to be for. I just wrote that if people do not want to donate, they might not want to pay some sort of participation fee either. And AmeAndre wrote that people might not even care about the prize, that they just want to compete.
No need to feel attacked and act as if anyone said "there's no need do free lmao" now. Nobody wrote anything attacking you.
Anyways, I wrote my part and am out, everything else ain't my bussiness.
And AmeAndre wrote that people might not even care about the prize, that they just want to compete.
Actually, as i play pvp for competitive, i'd play a tournament for its prize. To me, there's no competition in a PvP tournament w/o a prize that's why i don't participate in Creska pvp editions. So yes I do agree with Creska suggestion.
And AmeAndre wrote that people might not even care about the prize, that they just want to compete.
Actually, as i play pvp for competitive, i'd play a tournament for its prize. To me, there's no competition in a PvP tournament w/o a prize that's why i don't participate in Creska pvp editions. So yes I do agree with Creska suggestion.
So u don't want to compete, u just want some item. Tournaments are only a thing to get items?? Am i right??
So u don't want to compete, u just want some item. Tournaments are only a thing to get items?? Am i right??
You miss the entire point.
People prepare for competitive Events and take their time hosting or participating in one. They still want to get revenue out of it because they took their time and limited their free time for such an event.
It is the same with local TCG tournaments. They're "free" to enter and you can win some cool prices out of it. And people give a shit about it because they get sone form of price out of it (new packs, promo cards, tourney rankings etc). Nothing of that is happening in Elsword, the only thing you do lose is your own time you can do something else.
People for the most part dont care about a tournament without prices because for they dont get something out of it. The "competitive" aspect isn't big enough to hold a competitive community together and if someone was in one of them and wouldnt talk out of his reer in a topic they dont know shit about then they wouldnt disagree with making people pay to enter. Or GF finally Sponsors more in general so people arent forced to pay everything out of their end.
And AmeAndre wrote that people might not even care about the prize, that they just want to compete.
Actually, as i play pvp for competitive, i'd play a tournament for its prize. To me, there's no competition in a PvP tournament w/o a prize that's why i don't participate in Creska pvp editions. So yes I do agree with Creska suggestion.
So u don't want to compete, u just want some item. Tournaments are only a thing to get items?? Am i right??
No, i said there is no competition in a tourney w/o a prize. That's not the same for example in arena where you get your rank (which to me matters) + AP which can be useless but still are something than nothing
I just wrote that if people do not want to donate, they might not want to pay some sort of participation fee either.
I would like to see how many people would join Forum Contest without prizes.
Also, why would someone pay to enter a tournament when the donate thing is just optional? They can join even without donating, so they aren't going to do it.
With entry fees, people will have to actually pay to join a tournament, so they WILL have to, at least, put some efforts into it and ALSO they will be able to win a prize.
The actual prize justifies the efforts of winning the event and the payment of the entrance fee.
Also, we're not talking of PvP events specifically. We're talking about ANY TYPE of contest that Users can make, competitive or uncompetitive.
Since GameForge doesn't seem to care about Elsword, they aren't going to give Users the prize pool for their events, and if GF is going to do, the prize pool will be really small.
The last event made by the community was, like, Kerialstraz tournament? 1# edition, first place was...€10 coupon.
While NA did even $200 tournaments/giveaways, etc. And not coupons, I'm talking about real money.
Of course EU is smaller than NA(actually not even by much, NA playerbase at the moment is pretty much the same as EU)but the important point here is that GF doesn't care about Elsword as much as NA does.
