(non-)european players and their ping

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But these people also said that it is still grief play when lagging player abuse their laggs for their advantage in PvP. So Partly they have issues with those laggers to.

That might be true, yet to completely remove them from the queue and make an extra queue for them doesn't sound like a good solution at all, especially since the IP does not distiguish between a lagging latino and a non lagging latino. Try agian.

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So far only you and Yuri are acting like you have no problem and refuse to belive that currently people suffer from those laggs exist.

Please show me where I have said that, because I didn't. Again for you, as you seem to ignore anything I said: GF wants to make as much money as possible, so any solution that you state, that has somethig to do with reducing the experience of any player - yes also those bad bad lagging latinos - won't happen, as they have payed money and probably will pay money in future too. Badidol literally said that 5 times.

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You guys behave like Holocaust denial and only post in this thread to increase your post counter and produce senseless uproar. The Solution given so far ,except for yuris and sharoonas, where plausible and fair.

Which "solution"? The one from Darkaigirl, who doesn't even know how extra queues for Europeans/latinos would work? The IP block solution from Kauket? Or the auto-kick solution from the same person? Yeah definitely everyone brings in great and fair solutions here.

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Sorting people by similar distance, ip and Ping and queueing them up together PvE and PvP.

And in how far does this help with the sentence you wrote at first? You literally wrote, that they experience the same problem as we do, yet they should be the only ones that should suffer from bad internet connection that other latinos have, because why exactly? Oh right, because it doesn't affect you then. Sounds about right.

How nice of you to frame us as holocaust deniers for not supporting changes, that would discriminate people based on the country they live in or their social standing. One is kinda racist, the other classist, both are the traditional version of nazi thought and not your weird perversion of it if we're going to bring RL politics to the table. Just saying.

Even the "most proposed and popular" suggestion falls under those criteria, as it uses lag to discriminate against those who experience it the most.

Also server location does not even matter when the main P2P problem is distance between players and not client-server distance. LatAm people among themselves experience less lag than they do when meeting Europeans.

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- is the server designed for non-europeans?

The Server does not state that it is for a specific region.

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°giving the host to the guy with the lowest and most stable ping

Tbh that sounds like a good solution that shouldn't be hard to implement. Yet IP-blocking still is unfair and will not be implemented as badidol said.

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Tbh that sounds like a good solution that shouldn't be hard to implement.

That would fall under the broader term of lag compensation and actually kinda is. Monitoring network behaviour and making predictions is somewhat wonky, but the solution itself sounds more technically challenging than anything else, therefore it's among the better ones – at least as far I'm concerned.

Think of it the other way around: Should people other than the main target demographic of a product be allowed to enjoy it? If not, there are lots of adults enjoying a "children's" game, when is the purge of adults ruining the game by wearing sexy outfits on Rena going to come?

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(1) with at least a dozen of braincells I would know, that the EU server would target mainly EU players and not LAm/Asian/Africa people - updates, events (for example void double drop hour at the evening because at that time most of the european players have some time to spare for elsword) etc. are desigend for EU players - so you are not wrong with saying "it doesnt state a specific region" but it doesnt need to be

So Elsword DE was for Germany only, FR was for France only etc. etc.? There are still people that want to have a specific interface on there game and therefore play on said servers. On the French server you also have people from Africa playing there. On UK you have players from former English colonies as well as players from countries that don't have their own server (eg. Russia, that is partly European and partly Asian, same goes for Turkey btw.). So no, Elsword EU is not only for EU, as it does not state so unlike other servers that have an IP-Block for any other region that is not that specific region.

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(2) would it be really unfair? people that came to a server that wasnt targetting them since the beginning, causing trouble in PvP and PvE (aka the both two main aspects of the game), playing on this server instead of NA/INT because "hey I dont want to learn english jaja :v"? is it really unfair blocking them even though they should've seen it coming? because they are ignorant?

Yes it would be unfair for those who speak English and don't lag. IP-block definitely is not an solution for this.

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(2).2 IIRC is badidol "only" the community manager and not the product manager, at the end its important what the heads of GF are thinking and not badidol, it still might be worth a try even if he thinks "it wont happen"

To be fair that's true, but as I mentioned it would lead to less money for the company. And I don't think that GF likes to have less money.

And we're back to arguments from supremacy… again. This time making it even clearer, that you don't care about European laggers, just wanting those outside of Europe banned based on "lag".

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Considering that they know of their lags and don't care if they cause a bad playing experience for everyone else, i would hold them at fault for their behaviour, and therefore would remove them without second thought.

But first of all, my personal opinion does not reflect the opinion of everyone, and second, it is not my decision to make.

This solution sounds plausible but not fair towards those who paid money and a lot of time on this server.

Indeed, it wouldn't be fair. But that is a ruling i would make, because of two certain criteria's. The first one being, that i see more people voting for it instead of voting against it, therefore a majority decision and second, because i have a personal issue with People not caring what they force upon others by disregarding the problem with the distance lag.

Then again, i'm all for fairness, hence the reason why i don't put any additional pressure on this matter. badidol already said, that they're working on a fair solution.

rearquadruplepolish as I have already pointed out, removing people who experience lag will not do anything to solve the issue you have with lag other than trying to hide it, regardless of where those people live.

Sharoona the result of a popular vote with limited options and skewed representation is meaningless and not affected by its qualities.

I always thought that the best solution for that is to put a ping limit for pvp at least

If you reach that limit the game won't let you search for a match, and if you reach it during the pvp it may kick you instantly from it cause I've seen a lot of people having "mysterious" lag when they get hit

But seriously, I'm from ES and sadly this wasn't an option because the majority of the community is from LatAm but now this must be done because there's a lot of european players and we rally want to have fun playing pvp whenever we want, not just when it's nightime at LaTam...

And yeah, pve also gets punished for this lag, but not as much as pvp and you can always leave the party or even kick the lagger, normally they don't do anything and the game let you vote for kick

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That may be, which would leave my personal decision that remains unchanged by that factor.

Be mindful of other Player's. If you are not, then don't be surprised if you get expelled.

No matter what kind of arguement you make, the point is, if you know about your intercontinental location and the distance lag, that comes with it, and you still force that upon the player's that are located at the right location to play like intented, you put yourself at fault for being not considerate/mindful.

Now, who's at fault here then? The Developer by programming the game in this matter, so it doesn't support this sufficent? The Player's who are not located in EU? The EU player's for not being okay with this? The Publisher for not restricting the Server's to EU located player's only?

In my perspective, the one's that are connecting from another continent. However, the ones to blame are only those, that disregard the distance lag issue and therefore forcing it on EU located Player's intentionally.

Which brings me back to the Griefplay factor one last time.

Until GF has worked out an acceptable solution for all involved, adapt to the situation, and/or collect decisive evidence and let the team examine and judge upon it.

Greader don't underestimate the risk that their lags can have on you in PvE. I can show you two screens of an hardware damaging situation that was caused by such a player.

rearquadruplepolish so lag is just a thing that happens, but distance lag, rather than being an instance of the former, is a far worse problem that can and must be "solved"?

Sharoona If you want to claim malice, provide evidence thereof. Mexicans are not at fault for you experiencing lag differently or KoG's code trashing your hardware.

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Which brings me back to the Griefplay factor one last time.

Until GF has worked out an acceptable solution for all involved, adapt to the situation, and/or collect decisive evidence and let the team examine and judge upon it.

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If you want to claim malice, provide evidence thereof. Mexicans are not at fault for you experiencing lag differently or KoG's code trashing your hardware.

Read and understand everything, before you post something, i would be grateful.

I'm fully aware, that decisive evidence is required, hence the reason why i already mentioned it at least twice by now.

I also stated, that the Screenshots i took, just show the result of the lags and following dc by said player. So those do not count as proof, that he/she did it on purpose.

But, as much as i cannot proof that they are aware of the problems that comes with the distance lag, you cannot proof that they are not aware of it.

Which results in a stalemate.

Yet, there were sightings from other player's that some of them are definitly fully aware of it, and abusing it to their advantage or simply do not care about annoying other's. And it's those player's that are indeed asking to get expelled. Especially when boasting about it.

Your chances to obtain sufficent proof is propably quite a bit higher in PvP. As i stated, for a verdict, you would need proof of them admitting of their awareness, as well as a connected situation to that. However, that is just what i would require to render a verdict. I do not know, if the Team requires more or less to make a ruling.

Seeing how i feel like that i just keep repeating myself at that point, this will be my last reply on this topic.

The final decision come's from GF and KoG anyway.