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Healthy people continued to say "it's utopian, fragile and potentially catastrophic".

Who was inside has continued but without any kind of support and without anyone who took them seriously they have been short-lived

I understand "fragile" and "potentially catastrophic", but I don't get "utopian".

so idealistic as to be unattainable

I know and understand the word, what I don't understand is why "healthy people" (however you may determine "health") would use to describe it as such. Bear in mind, that all I got so far is "popular" guilds banding together to "solve problems" and kindly asking moderators to act as their rule enforcement.

the popular guilds get together to control some aspects of the game and "ask" the moderators to give it executive power.

legislator, judge and executioner.

It's a sick idea, many posts from other users in that discussion explain it better

True, I just miss the part, where this is something people would want to live in, as by the optimistic connotation of the word "utopia".

It is utopian to create a market with rules that no one takes advantage of, it is utopian to unify so many guilds under the same ideals and goals and it is utopian that all this does not deride.

If all the ideas of the table are utopian, I call the table utopian

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It is utopian to create a market that no one takes advantage of

No, it's simply unrealistic. Why would people want such a market?

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it is utopian to unify so many guilds under the same ideals

That actually is quite possible, but it is also the wrong way of looking at things. The ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class; the Table™ would need to already be in power to have that kind of influence, which it doesn't, given that it was in the process of seeking power.

But even if we assume impossibility, the notion of a utopia also comprises seeming perfection. If those ideals were seemingly perfect, people would unite under them, thus making it a reality, eliminating its fictional aspects. By using the word "utopian" in lieu of actual criticism you're creating a paradox.

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it is utopian that all this does not deride

Deride whom or what?

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If all the ideas of the table are utopian, I call the table utopian

You could certainly make that argument, if those were all of its ideas and they were in any way utopian. Given that two out of three of them thus far are not and the third at least to me seems grammatically incorrect (perhaps a typo?), you can't make that argument. You could make an argument of its sum, but even that lacks justification. Why would critics concede, that there is a "seemingly perfect" aspect to the Table™?

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6:20 time for a banana °`° and work.

Ok.

The idea that there is a community of users working for the good of the game is utopian, because we are human.

Review the description of how the head of the table should be.

And re-read the posts of what was at the time our community manager on the dominant class argument, he answers you better than I could.

As for the market, you had to be there at that time to understand what you are talking about, we say that they wanted to fix the situation but half the argument is based on the fact that it is not possible

Ahh, yes, the argument from human nature™, how could anyone miss that one in a debate? Sadly, it ignores, that

• there is no agreement on how human nature actually is, and many models do allow for collective action with the goal of improving conditions
• environment, especially society, greatly shapes both human nature itself as well as our view of it
• it constitutes a natural fallacy, which (of course) pays no heed to the is-ought distinction.

There may be further criticism, but I think it suffices to show that coming from questionable claims to questionable conclusions is not really an argument.

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Review the description of how the head of the table should be.

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The "Chief Table" must be a person not particularly linked to the Ed nor the Ec and his first concern will be the good of Elsword.

I assume that "Chief Table" means "table head". Not sure, what Ed and Ec are, quite a few things got lost in translation. Their first concern being the good of the game is something that you can find in a lot of people, at least assuming we limit those concerns to the game and don't include stuff like surviving in the real world and having food on the table, which one would rather qualify as basic needs. Actually, there is nothing wrong with the contents of this line as far as I'm concerned. The problem is what it lacks. How does the Table™ ensure, that its head meets their requirements and how does it act should they fall short of their expectations? What are their powers and responsibilities and how are they justified with respect to the Family™ and the Guests™ (and in a broader sense, unless already included, the population of Elrios at large)?

I've clicked through the images and did not see any community manager. Perhaps I missed their tag or I've misidentified them. In any case, why would you defer to them? Do they disagree with me and you agree with their post? That would not only be an argument from authority, but it'd be an instance of that happening. Or are you referring to an instance of that not happening disproving me? I'm not quite sure how that would look like, but please don't think of it as everyone agreeing with the community manager simply because of them being the community manager. While I would say, that there's a large number of people doing exactly that, it is also more nuanced, otherwise revolutions could never occur in real life. With the opposition to a rule gaining power, so do their ideas, and the ruling class can be forced to make concessions in order to remain in power.

I don't think I lack specific information for this specific situation. "Fixing the market" is a daily topic within capitalist systems across the virtual and non-virtual world. While there may be specific complaints regarding specific market, those are trivial in comparison to the problems that all markets eventually experience. In fact, I claim that you and the people you quote wishing for markets that cannot be abused do not understand the purpose of a market, or if you do, you word your understanding poorly.

We clarify one thing, in a discussion we do not win and we do not lose, we talk with mutual respect

The family^tm is a meme that I created for myself and Spyro190  uwu  shy and Esseker

On human nature you want to do sophisms, but I trust you are smart and have understood what I meant

the intervention I told you about was this

From what you tell me, I think you are not really understanding the content of the 3d, reread it more carefully

I read it with translation, i think...

Italians can be scary too

Did I just overstep? If so, I want to apologize, as I too seek mutual understanding of each other.

I did not know, that the Family™ was unrelated to the Table™. I thought the two words fit together quite nicely, once for the mafia implication, and once for families usually eating at tables. My apologies for abusing terminology like that.

I do not understand your argument from human nature, as I don't know your view on human nature. But even under the assumption that we do share our views on human nature (which I so far doubt), you don't lay out any intermediate steps justifying your conclusion. All I see is a claim, that roughly translates to "humans don't cooperate to achieve a common good", which you can see as part of human nature, if that is your world view, but it is not the only view out there and it is (thus far) unfounded.

Your CoMa seems to agree with both of us on the premise, that dictatorships are not good, at least to the degree that we all three (seem to) agree, that the Table™ indeed is a dictatorship. I'm not quite sure on their stance on economics, they do use bourgeois lingo to talk against market regulation, but they also say that inflation is just the symptom of a larger problem. Oh, and yes, I did misidentify them, "Live Game Designer" sounds like a German meme.

I did not take the 3d into consideration while writing my post, although that is what we should have talked about instead of making the human nature argument. If I understand it correctly, the table head is announced by decree of the person making the suggestion? Can't see anything wrong with that at all. As a reference, that's the one that talks about mandatory meetings.

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Escalated so quickly

i was shopping

I like pain au chocolat

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