dropping elrianode stones/hero gear sealed

  • No, this can kill EC seller, so, no.

    because of? do you think people will buy seals to seal their "6~7% more damage on monsters" stones? do you think elrianode stones are the only stuff that need seals/seals are the only thing EC seller are selling?

  • did you ignore the post on the start of the thread on purpose?


    7% group buffs/mp consume reduce/boss damage/on hit taken/skill stacking/skills are for new players and on sub chars great - they dont cost too much and still are great on their own


    the suggestion would never kill the EC sellers, there are TONS of other stuff people buy from them, the people who buy seals are usually (50~70%, vague estimation) reseller

  • Okay, other than "muh prices", is there really a reason to oppose this? EC sellers could still buy their costumers reasonable stuff that they actually want like accessory or poses or shit tons of burners/flourites for our favourite RNG elements of the game.

  • Sorry but that is a horrible Idea.
    - First of all it'd cause a total break the value of many stones.
    - 2nd. Like Fosco said it would break a main source of the EC / ElF seller(Yes, some people are just lazy)
    - 3rd Future update will come that Phoru Stamps only get used when item sold.

    1) yes, 120~150m seal cost from a 1,5b~10b stone will definitely break the value - "muh prices"

    2) even IF (yes IF) it would make them sell less, the demand for EC is still high enough

    3) and changes what exactly?

  • Sorry but that is a horrible Idea.
    - First of all it'd cause a total break the value of many stones.
    - 2nd. Like Fosco said it would break a main source of the EC / ElF seller(Yes, some people are just lazy)
    - 3rd Future update will come that Phoru Stamps only get used when item sold.

    1) yes, 120~150m seal cost from a 1,5b~10b stone will definitely break the value - "muh prices"

    2) even IF (yes IF) it would make them sell less, the demand for EC is still high enough

    3) and changes what exactly?

    120-150M stamp... If every El Tear would dropp sealed the value would shrink rapidly cause every stone'd be tried to sell.

    Well Phoru stamps are probably the most wanted thing here. Simply check the amount of El Tears and
    Can't find even half as many Gold Acc's/Gear neither shit armour.
    Neither flourite or any other garbage.

    And to the last point.
    It would change that you simply buy 1 seal and can TRY to sell a El Tear.
    if sold at a reasonable price, perfect.
    Right?

    It would be an enormous loss for GF.
    That's why it won't happen.

  • "It would be an enormous loss for GF."


    no it wouldnt, because the EC seller wont stop cashing because "hey a >PART< of my buyers dont need seals for elrianode gear/stones anymore", it doesnt matter from which point you look at it, people will still buy EC regardless of this suggestion


    did you know that gold seals arent the only seals needed for elrianode stones? the stones affected by this suggestion are mostly elite stones (8% party buffs etc.) which require a purple seal

  • If every El Tear would dropp sealed the value would shrink rapidly cause every stone'd be tried to sell.

    So competition is bad? I always thought that within capitalism, competition was a force for good and the main driver for innovation™. 1f914.png

    Okay, so even if everyone floods the market with cheapo El Tears, what would be so horrible about that? There are enough purple seal stones that aren't worth sealing, because they probably don't sell for a long time, which could then be sold below the price of a seal. There are also "lucky" players, who may or may not have great stones, but no seal to simply put them on the market, which artificially inflates prices. The only ones who profit out of this, are those that are already rich, and why should we care about the top 1% making a tiny fraction less in return, especially when they also benefit from not having to seal their 1b +3% critical damage tears?

  • seals are an income for Gf. So they probably wont do it.


    This is a suggestion with the goal of being able to make money with the washouts under the elrianode stones.

    :senile:

    :sold:

  • seals are an income for Gf. So they probably wont do it.

    the same reason we get tons of free class changes, free B-Slots (yes you dont have to buy B-Slots anymore), maybe in the next few weeks Avatar/Pets(Adult Version, Auras)/MP Necklace (not sure about that one) via ED, so that means GF wont earn any money with said items

    This is a suggestion with the goal of being able to make money with the washouts under the elrianode stones

    and what exactly is the problem of that? sorry that I wont make as much money as possible without wasting 50m on a purple seal?


    by any means, I am fine if we make it for elite stones exclusive (purple seals) because gold seals are (somewhat) expensive for this suggestion to be implemented from KoG

  • first of all: it is not confirmed that we are getting these changes. Secondly they might only be possible because of the money they get with other sources (e.g. Seels and seals)


    Please work on your english. I have quite the hard time figuring out what your point is.


    If you sell your 0.5% awk charge stone for 1kk ed, who is gonna buy the 1% stone for 50kk? The seeling (i know it seal, but i like seels) gives a boundry of what is sellable und gives money and what not. Making the bad stones sellable will flood the market und push the prices of the rest down. More than you are gaining through the the crap stones.

    Since buyers are paying for the seels right now its only really good for them.


    Capitalism. If seeling your stone costs more then you get buy selling it, dont sell it.

    Without seels, how are you supposed to know which stones are shit?

  • first of all: it is not confirmed that we are getting these changes. Secondly they might only be possible because of the money they get with other sources (e.g. Seels and seals)

    so far we got every QoL update which NA got - yes there might this <1% chance that we maybe wont get it


    my point is: you are saying "GF wont do that because they wouldnt get as much money as before", which I think is wrong - yes GF is (like every other company) trying to make as much money as possible, but they (or KoG) have shown in the past, that they are ready to implement features (events with B-slot/class change rewards, increased inventory etc.) which would make them less money (and more appealing to the community?)


    the market wont be flooded with bad stones, because bad stones dont sell - nobody is buying a 0.5/1% awk. charge stone (except if you dont have any stones to fill your elrianode equipment and not to mention they wont buy a 1% awk. charge stone for 50m)


    how I would know my stone is shit? asking people who actually have the knowledge

  • :infavor:

    This bothers me a lot as well. I'm trying to build my Elyanod eq without spending ED on it (upgrade scrolls excluded) and occasionally trade stones with friends. It's annoying to always have to spend money on seals for this. Also, I distribute my stones to my 2 accounts. It's a bother when I drop a good CrA stone on my DoM and I have to seal it because they're on different accounts.

    seals are an income for Gf. So they probably wont do it.

    El-coins/-flouzes are an income for GF. What players end up buying with them probably doesn't really matter to them, as long as you spend the coins as soon as possible to buy new ones again. As soon as you bought the coins, GF received the money.

    And it's not like coin sellers didn't have a customer base before Elyanod was released. Weak argument.

    I always have a ton of avatar I want to buy from the cs, but I often have to skip it because I don't have the money to buy from a coin seller. And then it gets removed after ~2 weeks.

    Guess why? Can't properly trade/sell my elya stones or have to spend all of the ED on seals.


    Without seels, how are you supposed to know which stones are shit?

    By... actually getting some knowledge about building your eq, instead of buying everything thats expensive and sealed on the board?

    Probably sarcasm anyway.


    A lot of older equipment didn't drop sealed in the past and does now. Same with ice burner sets. No reason to assume this can't also happen to elya stones (and hero too plz).